2013/2014 Heineken Cup seedings

ballThe seedings for next year’s Heineken Cup have been released. Pool one features the three Irish provinces, as well as three French heavyweights, including this year’s finalists. Pool two sees a healthy English contingent, while the bulk of the RaboDirect teams find themselves in Pools three and four.

The draw will be made later this summer, with this potentially the last time the tournament will be held in its current format.

Full Heineken Cup seedings:
Pool 1: Ulster, Munster, Leinster, Clermont, Toulon, Toulouse
Pool 2: Leicester, Northampton, Saracens, Perpignan, Harlequins, Cardiff
Pool 3: Edinburgh, Glasgow, Ospreys, Scarlets, Montpellier, Connacht.
Pool 4: Gloucester, Zebre, Treviso, Exeter, Castres, Racing Metro.

Who do you want to avoid for your club? What is the worst/best combination of teams you can foresee? Let us know below!

12 thoughts on “2013/2014 Heineken Cup seedings

  1. As a Quins fan, Munster, Edinburgh and Zebre would probably be the best possible combination. Toulon, Glasgow and Gloucester would be horrendous.

    Not too sure about the seeding system though, Racing Metro and Gloucester in 4, Blues in 2, Edinburgh and Connacht in 3. But what other method could they do, I guess?

  2. Racing Metro is 4 and Cardiff in 2 strikes me as strange. But then I guess it is based on history, so I can understand the Racing one. What about Cardiff? I don’t remember them being particularly prominent in recent years?

    1. Cardiff fan here – largely due to the Amlin victory in 2010 and the semi-final in 2009. Been atrocious since unfortunately. From memory the history goes back 5 years.

  3. 3rd pot looks noticeably weaker than the 4th pot.

    Must also note the rules about country protection. No clubs from the same country in the same pool, except the lowest ranked French team will have to double up (as there are 7). This will be Racing Metro and that will surely form the grouo of death.

    Almost perversely, English clubs (esp in Pot 2) will be hoping for either of the Heineken Cup finalists or the most successful Heineken Cup team, as a French team from Pot 1 will ensure they avoid Montpellier from Pot 3 and Casters from Pot 4 (along with Glos and Exeter from Pot 4 due to country protection. Then you are likely to have a Celtic team (avoiding the three Irish heavyweights though) and an Italian team and can push for a best runner up spot or a home qf if they can turn over their top seed.

  4. Should also note that every pool should have an English and a french club in as a result of the country protection rules. So any dream/nightmare scenarios should include this.

  5. Not looking great. In the same way I predicted England facing Australia and Wales in the World Cup, I predict Leicester to be facing Clermont, Glasgow and Racing. All teams in great form

    The seeding system is a bit of a mess to be frank. Too much bias to history in the competition and not enough towards present form and other competitions. It puts teams who are better than they were 5 years ago in a more difficult position to qualify through their pool and those who have gone downhill in an easier position. Leicester’s pools in recent history have not been fun reading and you have to say the Ospreys and Toulouse were unfortunate to be in that draw and go home early. Then when you’re fortunate enough to top those pools you get yourself an away 1/4 and it becomes difficult to get a good ranking for next season.

    Then there was the fun fact that had a French team won last years cup, Wasps, fighting at the bottom of the Premiership, could have qualified.

  6. Leinster fan here, ideal scenario would be Cardiff, Edinburgh, Zebre. Worst case, Leicester, Glasgow, Racing Metro. I’m not sure the first is possible with the country rules, so swap Perpignan in for Cardiff.

    1. wouldnt be particularly happy with northampton, ospreys, castres either though. bring them! hehe

  7. Exeter fans with OCD have been discussing this for a while. See attached Website for the thread in the Unofficial Chiefs site. This is how we think the draw will have to be made . . .

    1. Pick all six Tier one sides
    2. Pick a Pool number for Perpignan; If in a non French Tier 1 pool, Montpellier go into the same pool
    3. Pick the rest of the Tier 2 sides
    4.Pick a non-Irish pool for Connacht
    5. If Montpellier not placed already, pick a non French Tier 1 pool for them
    6. Pick non Cardiff pool for Ospreys and Scarlets
    7. Pick pools for Glasgow and Edinburgh
    8. Pick non French pools for Racing Metro and Castres
    9. Pick non English pools for Gloucester and Exeter
    10. Pick Pools for the two Italian sides

  8. Perpignan are the 7th French team even though they are seaded higher than someother French teams and so have to be in with another French side.

    So I think we want one of these:
    Clermont Cardiff Blues Connacht Exeter
    Clermont Cardiff Blues Edinburgh Exeter
    Clermont Cardiff Blues Glasgow Exeter
    Toulon Cardiff Blues Connacht Exeter
    Toulon Cardiff Blues Edinburgh Exeter
    Toulon Cardiff Blues Glasgow Exeter
    Toulouse Cardiff Blues Connacht Exeter
    Toulouse Cardiff Blues Edinburgh Exeter
    Toulouse Cardiff Blues Glasgow Exeter

    As we could come runners up

    And would want to avoid:
    Leinster Perpignan Montpellier Exeter
    Munster Perpignan Montpellier Exeter
    Ulster Rugby Perpignan Montpellier Exeter

    But still believe we would upset some folks :)

  9. It’s a fairer seeding than this year, 11 out of the 12 seeds from the top 2 pools are very strong sides.

    I don’t like using 4 years of European history as the basis of the seeding. Putting the same value on winning a cup 4 years ago to winning it last year seems a little odd to me. It also puts sides like the Chiefs at a real disadvantage, if they keep qualifying for the HC they will keep getting drawn against higher ranked sides (less likely to pick up bigger points) until they build up 4 years worth of points.

    It’s pretty scary when you are hoping to get drawn against Toulouse as the weakest of the top sides!

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