Comments on: Autumn Internationals 2014: England vs Samoa Player Ratings http://www.therugbyblog.com/autumn-internationals-2014-england-vs-samoa-player-ratings Rugby Union opinion and discussion, for the fans, by the fans. Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:52:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.2 By: DanDhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/autumn-internationals-2014-england-vs-samoa-player-ratings#comment-372859 Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:21:46 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=35640#comment-372859 The whole pack carried only 31 times between them (in comparison to over 60 times vs the boks). Would have been nice for Haskell to carry, but he was doing a huge amount of good work in the breakdown, and probably the only forward really taking to Samoa, put in a few momentum stopping tackles too. He gave away 1 penalty, not bad for an openside (which is where he was playing, regardless of the number on his back (watch the scrums)). He was near enough to matching Robshaws tackle rate too at the time he came off.

The penalty he did give away, the ref told him hands away, he raised his hands and took them away immediately, ref then decided 2 seconds later that it was still in fact a penalty.

And perhaps it’s important to point out that Wood came on and gave 2 penalties (one extremely brainless) in just 13 minutes on the pitch.

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By: Egg Chaserhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/autumn-internationals-2014-england-vs-samoa-player-ratings#comment-372846 Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:19:21 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=35640#comment-372846 A bit premature perhaps for the word “panic” but not “consistency”.

At fly half we’ve seen the likes of Hodgson, Farrell, Burns, Cipriani, Myler and now Ford. On the wings we’ve seen Ashton, Nowell, May, Brown, Goode, Yarde, Roko, Watson and even Tuilagi. Scrum half we’ve flipped between Care, Youngs and Dickson and in the centres of course we’ve seen Barritt, Tuilagi (who, fair enough had it not been for injury would start every game), Farrell, Tomkins, Twelvetrees, Eastmond, JJ etc etc etc.

If you look at any half decent side you have your nailed on starters in certain positions; Wales: North, Cuthbert, Roberts and Davies. Where are Wales struggling? Half back. Why? Because the personnel keep changing…the one exception to this rule being New Zealand I suppose who seem to have a conveyer belt of talent in every position.

I’d like to just see us maintain some level of consistency and allow the team to gel, as others have, rather than having knee jerk reactions all the time.

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By: Dr Boohttp://www.therugbyblog.com/autumn-internationals-2014-england-vs-samoa-player-ratings#comment-372840 Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:20:31 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=35640#comment-372840 I think it’s worth the risk to rebuild ourselves around George Ford instead of Farrell in 10. With Farrell it becomes a hugely forward based game, that our backs while they were times they did do something, don’t really have much to work from.

I really liked Fords high ball for Brown which is better instead of watching brown having to kick himself and catch it, but really feel it will be tested against Folau.

Haskell really did not play well which i found disappointing, but Woods pretty much got himself a couple of penalty himself, feel that Woods place is guaranteed now.

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By: Peteyboybhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/autumn-internationals-2014-england-vs-samoa-player-ratings#comment-372831 Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:32:37 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=35640#comment-372831 Let’s get a bit of perspective here. This was a Samoa game, so always the one where SL & Co. were going to risk mixing it up a bit. Also England’s nailed-on first choice 13 is crocked. So, despite it being less than a year before the RWC, I think it’s a bit premature to be over-using the word “consistency”, and bringing in words like “panic”…

I feel a bit for Barrett (he’s a world quality back on his day), but you do get the feeling he’s just being stuck in to make up the numbers as we await the return of the Auckland Harbour Swimmer.

Of course none of this answers any questions about the 12 shirt…! I still rate 36 there. He was a pretty good impact sub on Sat and has the experience. 10 – give Ford another start against the Aussies, and cement the starting XV before the 6 Nations (when hopefully we’ll have a raft of players back from injury!)

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By: Jonnyhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/autumn-internationals-2014-england-vs-samoa-player-ratings#comment-372829 Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:13:49 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=35640#comment-372829 Seems the front row have been pretty consistent, strong in the set piece, but would need to offer more ball in hand to score higher. Largely the same for the second row, but I feel that Eng have the edge over Aus in the tight 5.

No difference from previous games in the back row. No 8 makes vast majority of the metres for whole pack. Vunipola did look tired in the first 2 tests, but perhaps the issue doesn’t lie with the guy in the 8 shirt but those around him?

Speaks volumes that a score of 6.5 for Youngs is enough to warrant a starting place in next weeks team. Should be a real cause for concern given how important a position scrum half is.

Ford simply must start against Australia, they are probably the least physical of the teams Eng will face this autumn, I’ve seen enough of Ford playing without Farrell to know that he can do it without him, so I would go for Eastmond at 12, a club partnership and a genuine attacking threat.

I would imagine Barritt hasn’t let anyone down, I wasn’t expecting him to offer anything in attack and he has duly obliged. If someone else is picked in his place, they MUST perform well in defence, as it would be all too easy to revert back to Barritt if Eng come unstuck.

Back 3 looking good, will really be tested by Aus, but I think they will be wary of our pace on the wings.

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By: Benjithttp://www.therugbyblog.com/autumn-internationals-2014-england-vs-samoa-player-ratings#comment-372823 Mon, 24 Nov 2014 13:23:31 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=35640#comment-372823 Marks for the coaches? why do I get the nasty feeling that SL is going to be our “Eddie O’Sullivan”. Always perennially falling short.

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By: Egg Chaserhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/autumn-internationals-2014-england-vs-samoa-player-ratings#comment-372821 Mon, 24 Nov 2014 13:20:15 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=35640#comment-372821 Although Farrell has been slated for his performance at 12, Ford has openly said that it was Farrell that spotted the space and called the cross field kick that led to Brown’s try (though it was a peach of a kick). Indeed, Ford has said that 2 of the tries scored were Farrell’s doing.

A few points come to mind…firstly, would Ford have made those decisions/spotted that space had Farrell not been there? Secondly, though Farrell’s performance was less than perfect, it is generally agreed that he is just off form and begs the question should England now try and maintain consistency and work on Farrell.

Now there’s two ways of looking at that…Chris Ashton was off form for a long time, Lancaster stuck with him as he trusted he would find form, which we all know he didn’t. I also remember, however, the Wales’ Alex Cuthbert was out of form for a while, with people calling for him to be axed. Gatland stuck with him and he is now performing.

For me consistency is key and I feel panic is starting to set in with the England back room staff hence all the changes in midfield.

Perhaps it is now time to shift focus to the next World Cup, get centres in place now with a view to developing them for then.

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By: John M Butt (@JohnMButt1)http://www.therugbyblog.com/autumn-internationals-2014-england-vs-samoa-player-ratings#comment-372816 Mon, 24 Nov 2014 12:53:45 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=35640#comment-372816 Agreed Ford must start next week. 11 matches left he should stay their.

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By: Jayhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/autumn-internationals-2014-england-vs-samoa-player-ratings#comment-372814 Mon, 24 Nov 2014 12:44:01 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=35640#comment-372814 All in all fair, BUT the contradictions here – ‘Mike Brown – his pop pass inside to May for his first try was a thing of real beauty.’ and here – ‘Jonny May – a superb finish after Mike Brown’s slightly dubious-looking pop pass.’ It was definitely forward IMO, but you should make your mind up ;)
Ford HAS to start next week with either Eastmond or 36 outside him.

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