Comments on: For the sake of those culled, the Burgess experiment needs to work http://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work Rugby Union opinion and discussion, for the fans, by the fans. Thu, 09 Jun 2016 05:59:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1 By: Don Phttp://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378703 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 16:02:51 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378703 Deja Vu? Haven’t England been here before with Farrell Snr?

Is it me, or has Lancaster lost the plot? Ditching Roko & Eastmond, 2 of the likely best back line in England; i.e., Bath, for the untried flanker in midfield, Burgess? Beggers belief.

What possible criteria (& I understand SL has lots of them) can he have for this selection? Nought personal agin Burgess, as he’s a decent cove & a trier by all accounts, but with a WC weeks away & what with experimenting wholesale in the hope that Burgo et all will, with a bit o’ luck & a following tail wind, that his team, esp his mid field, will miraculously fall into place?

Lanco has recently talked it up about another ‘vision’ for the 2019(!) WC with loads of investment in his youth policy for then bearing fruit, along with loads new qual coaches for future grassroots etc, etc.

Is this all a smoke screen to detract form his mediocre record v the SH & which currently puts it on a par with the tin-tacked johnno’s?

We’ve all heard ad infinitum form Lancs that England are ‘not far away’, ‘back on track’ or ‘closing the gap’ & so on, but on what basis does he espouse this stuff? Not his track record, that;’s for sure.

Why doesn’t he simply play the bath back line with his best add on’s instead of hanging out guys like Roko & Eastmond to dry. Aslo Cip will be lucky to carry the oranges… if he even make the cut.

Also, why didn’t he, e.g, at least look at Waldrom in the squad before discarding him… or not? I mean he was only the top try scorer in the Prem.

My main point is that I think it’s a disgrace to almost destroy potentially decent players’ shots at a likely once in a life time shot at a WC… & on the dubious basis of Gawd knows what basis.

And this when the ltd Farrell would need to break a leg to get out of the squad & Ford, who failed mentally v Saracens in the big 1 by kicking aimlessly down the oppo throats 3x in a row when his team needed TRIES. He & most others it seems, over rate Ford. He sings when his team’s winning, but he ain’t done all that yet at Inta’l level v the SH… & that’s what, in the end, really counts.

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By: Lionohttp://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378677 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 12:44:16 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378677 I’ll give you that, “chickened out” is me being a bit cheeky rather than the reality of the situation.

And yes, without Eastmond I would agree that there is a potential gap but personally I would cover that with taking both Burrell/Burgess (depending on how the latter measures up) and Slade, but that does mean losing someone else along the way but I’ll work that one out later…

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By: Pablitohttp://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378662 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:10:42 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378662 Yes he has. He’s got 6 caps

Eastmond started in three games vs NZ last year, playing with Farrell and Barritt in one and Burns and Tuilagi in two.

He also started with Farrell and Barritt vs SA last year

He started one match vs Arg in 2013 with Joseph and came off the bench in the other to replace Joseph, playing alongside 12Trees

So, he’s played internationally alongside every England centre experiment for the past two years with the exception of Tompkins

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By: Blubhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378653 Wed, 12 Aug 2015 16:45:04 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378653 “Remember the only times we’ve seen him in an international environment was with the Joel Tomkins experiment outside him”

?? Really, Eastmond?

He has played more than that hasn’t he?

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By: Jamiehttp://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378652 Wed, 12 Aug 2015 16:13:35 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378652 I don’t think the RFU ‘chickened out’, rather they stepped back when the other clubs kicked up a fuss about them paying for a player to another club – and rightly so.

I agree that Eastmond doesn’t fit in between Ford and JJ in an international backline, but I do think he could have done a job with, say, Farrell inside him and Barritt/Burrell outside him during the ‘other’ group matches. Remember the only times we’ve seen him in an international environment was with the Joel Tomkins experiment outside him – the less said about that the better.

But the risk in dropping him really comes if JJ gets injured – it leaves you with a centre partnership of 2 from Farrell/Burrell/12T/Barritt/Slade/Burgess. All have their own qualities but none will really worry defences with their creativity (Slade aside, perhaps, but I think he’ll be doing well to make the final squad anyway).

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By: Lionohttp://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378650 Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:16:34 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378650 I’m not convinced that is the whole argument though, Eastmond is certainly the best 12 in the Bath squad, but (and here comes the caveat), its the best 12 for the high-risk, high reward style of play that Bath adopt. I’m not sure that style of play would translate well to international level and in a sense Eastmond loses out, not because Burgess is a better 12 than him, but because JJ has been playing so well at 13. Lancaster clearly wants to go with the safer strategy of a big ball carrier combined with a playmaker in his centres, with Ford at 10 and Joseph at 13, Eastmond simply doesn’t fit with this philosophy. And also Bath not the RFU invested a lot of moolah in Burgess, the RFU chickened out of picking up the transfer fee so that came out of Bruce’s pockets in the end!

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By: Ross Tarbard (@owlyross)http://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378649 Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:02:42 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378649 “He will also find it hard to justify playing Burgess in a position in which he largely underwhelmed at club level, ahead of the guy who lit up the Bath backline in the same shirt week after week.”
I think this is the key point. I thought we’d moved away from the Aston/Johnson years of playing players away from their best position, but because the RFU has invested a lot of moolah in the Burgess experiment, they expect to see him playing. I’m afraid that Burgess will not impress, and it’s not fair on him, and it’s certainly not fair on those he’s kept from having a place. We have a surfeit of excellent centres, why play someone who doesn’t really play there?

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By: Stuhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378648 Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:58:00 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378648 I just don’t understand retaining 12T instead of Eastmond, I know he is bigger in the vein of Burgess and Burrell but wouldn’t say he offers a greater carrying threat than Eastmond like they do and distribution skills and form for me say Eastmond stays

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By: Dazzahttp://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378643 Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:44:20 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378643 Sorry, I meant 12T. Brain to hand malfunction!!!!!!!

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By: Matt Bhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378642 Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:25:12 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378642 Yes you’re right, I think I that’s what I meant in the end. Lancaster and co. must be sure who they want as wingers and so that’s the decision they’ve made.

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By: Henryhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378640 Tue, 11 Aug 2015 20:47:22 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378640 I am assuming that was a typo by Dazza… Surely?

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By: Teeceehttp://www.therugbyblog.com/for-the-sake-of-those-culled-the-burgess-experiment-needs-to-work#comment-378638 Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:39:57 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=38482#comment-378638 Drop Joseph? You have GOT to be joking. Remember the tries he scored in the 6N? The electric pace and sheer audacity? Three wingers gone and you would let JJ go? Even Bomber isn’t that addled.

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