Comments on: SARU prepares for legal battle over racial quota plan http://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan Rugby Union opinion and discussion, for the fans, by the fans. Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:12:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.1 By: Pot Strondhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-363148 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:37:29 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-363148 The comments of this young man are admirable and well written, but unfortunately have a logical fallacy, and it’s this fallacy that is at the root of the problem. Hoskins is simply reacting in a political manner to a problem he cannot solve, never will, and doing so he is delusional.

There is this notion that black African(sic) players are not coming through because they lack opportunity and that at youth and pro level they are not given enough encouragement and whatever else is needed to make a world class player. This notion pre-supposes that there are enough world class black rugby players just waiting to be uncovered. If I were to pre-suppose that there are many white Usain Bolts out there but none of them are getting the opportunity they deserve, I would be laughed out of sight. If I were to suggest that people of African descent be restricted to no more than 20% of the sprinting finals I would most certainly be carried off to an asylum.

We are all quite happy, at least those of us who are not prejudiced, to acknowledge that Black Jamaican athletes (who make up a fraction of a fraction of the world sprinting class) are predisposed to being better sprinters, that African Americans are better at football and baseball than whites, that Black Kenyan runners are better at middle distance running etc. None of these assumptions make us racist but simply accepting of the fact that some groups have genes which give them an advantage over others.

Yet if I make the case that the Afrikaner community and most specifically that group which has Huguenot ancestry, are physically advantaged and have a greater certainty at being world class rugby athletes, then I am a racist and a stereotypical white supremacist.

It is simply unacceptable in South Africa to acknowledge that we have a minority group who are genetically more capable than other groups. Instead we persist with majority nationalistic rhetoric, misguided delusions about equality and lack of opportunity, and more futile efforts to make into something that which cannot be made. We simply cannot mention what I have said here for fear of being run out of the country, yet this dishonesty is at the root of the problem in SA, the inability to accept that in some (not all) areas of sport, whites just have a genetic advantage, which has nothing to do with opportunity.

Anyway let me called racist and supremacist as much as is wanted. This does not stop me from appreciating the talents of the many black sports people who dominate their sports worldwide by virtue of their genetic advantage. I am not delusional or blind to the unfairness but inevitability of genetics and sports performance and it does not hurt my pride that it is so.

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By: CAThttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-363139 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 15:56:00 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-363139 Well said young man. Hoskins should be charged with dereliction of his duties.

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By: chrishttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-363109 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 14:03:51 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-363109 it will be the END of springbok rugby lust look at bafana

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By: BKhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-362781 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 20:27:57 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-362781 I’m a young black rugby player and I want to make it just like everyone else but I DON’T believe the Springboks have to suffer the consequences of the actions of the admin of youth level rugby. The problem is not with the Springbok squad. The youth level admin are responsible for providing the Springboks with individuals that are worthy of that jersey and they haven’t done so. The real problem is in the development of black rugby players at school level not the inclusion in the national squad. You can’t wish to have black rugby players in the squad when there simply isn’t enough good black rugby players to choose from. So the youth development must work to produce the players that can be chosen for the squad.

And another thing is the reactions of some white individuals are fuelling these politicians. Yes we all get angry at some decisions and statements made by these politicians but resorting to racial slurs and so on only divides the country just because of the actions of a few individuals in power. Racial slurs only give these incompetent politicians more reason to believe that this sport is just another stage for racism to take place even though it’s not the case.

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By: JChttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-362669 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:19:46 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-362669 I agree.. Imagine how the likes of Jp Pietersen, Lwazi Mvovo, Sithole, Siya Kolisi, Mohoje , Beast or any other ‘non-white’ player must feel when they selected:

”Yes!! Im good enough to make the SA squad…. Oh wait .. Hang on! ”

Oregan Hoskins, SARU and Fikile Mbalula (especially you mate) … go suck a D!#%

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By: JChttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-362666 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:13:34 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-362666 My point exactly.

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By: Bernardhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-362570 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:59:13 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-362570 Stupid person, if you are good, you are good.

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By: Bernardhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-362568 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:56:11 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-362568 This is the most annoying news ever. Quota… what about the best players in the team. Find a scientific formula to qualify a player and then use that player, black, white, it does not matter. South Africa is in a downwards spiral because of this BEE, quota system, empowering black, taking opportunities away from whites, lowering standards to accommodate previous disadvantaged black people. This is STUPID!!! Teach the teachable, train the trainable, develop those who wants to succeed. Be fair. Nature explains to us the following. The Alpha male rules. The strongest in the pact protects the pack. Why should hand outs and and lowering standards weaken the results of past achievements.

To prove my point if quotas will work just because 90% of SA is black. Make 90% of the Springboks black, and you will never ever see the the World Cup trophy ever again, why??? A hand out weakens the receiver, subconsciously programming the receiver of the hand out that I do not have to be the best, the color of my skin was part of the reason I am a Springbok. Look at Bafana bakakspeel. South Africa needs to keep what is good, change what is k@k and leave what is working. Stop envying evryone that is winning, create your own success.

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By: Pot Strondhttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-362541 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:34:10 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-362541 Like most cancers eating away at Africa this is another which in time will have its finality in mediocrity, nationalism and financial failure. The politics of envy are destruction.

If we extend this thought process over other sports we would call for more Chinese representation (quotas) at all levels of worldwide sport and the restriction of black athletes in certain track events to no more than 20% of the starters. Of course that would have us laughed out of sight.

I’m hoping that soon we will see a call for the restriction of white paid customers at rugby games and the refusal of TV money paid by white supporters, so that all financial inputs into rugby are made more representative.

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By: ntlahlela Billiehttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-362539 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:28:01 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-362539 I fully support the idea of picking players on Merit but then again the coach as well has to be FAIR look at what Jake White is doing with the Sharks team. Black players are given a chance and those he has picked have proved themselves,DO NOT PICK THEM FOR THEIR SKIN COLOUR NOOOO! Siya Kolisi has proven himself that he is very capable of competing with the likes of Schalk, Francouis, Willem etc. Beast Mtawarira has CEMENTED his place and I believe if the likes of Gio and De Jong could be given a fair chance by Heyneke then they could also prove that they are good enough to play for the BOKS.

But then again the coach decides and we’ve seen how he decided not to pick a BRILLIANT player (Heinrich Brussouw) who has proven himself each time he wears that green and gold jersey.

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By: Soutiehttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-362511 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 06:16:05 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-362511 It’s like saying there aren’t enough English-speaking South Africans in the springbok squad. Fact is, is that Afrikaners have always been the more dominant rugby players!

English-speaking players earn their right to play for their country, and God knows it’s tough to match up to the Boertjies! EVERYONE who gets selected to play for SA should be purely on merit. Beast, Siya Kolisi, Habana, De Jongh, Cornal, Sithole, Ashwin, Breyten, Chester Williams and there’s still the baby boks…

The list goes on, these guys deserve/d to wear the green and gold. Why do we have to now go and make our rugby suck because we’ve got black okes put in there because they’re OK?
All our black rugby players are honored to play for SA because they’re honorable men! If an oke gets put in the team just cos he’s black, he himself will feel like a doos cos a bloody politician put him in there!

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By: Phillip Mosterthttp://www.therugbyblog.com/saru-prepares-for-legal-battle-over-racial-quota-plan#comment-362472 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 04:07:14 +0000 http://www.therugbyblog.com/?p=33711#comment-362472 This is the reason why so many young talented players leave SA to play overseas. Our problem is that SA Rugby do not have great administers.

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