Six Nations 2019: Wales v England Rate the Match

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  1. I gave it a six based solely on my being English and massively disappointed in the way we threw the second half away. For once the claims of English arrogance ( and stupidity) are bang on. Well done Wales but had we decided to play an eighty minute game it could have been so different.




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    1. I honestly don’t think it was about the English being arrogant. I simply think Farrell had an awful day at the office and your game plan, based yet again on a kicking game went to the wall. Wales wanted it more and it’s all well and good saying “if we had decided to play an eighty minute game it could have been so different”, but Wales dominated you in the second half and stifled your style of play and you had no Plan B. Poor game management by both Owen Farrell and Eddie Jones!




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      1. Paul P, in retro mostly agree, though to state that Wales ‘wanted it more’ is an unscientific cliche.




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  2. Disappointing result, but Wales coped well with England’s gameplan and fully deserved to win.
    There didn’t seem to be a Plan B for England, and the penalty count crept up again – probably related.

    George Ford and Dan Robson were obviously not trusted to come on, so what is the point in having them in the 23 if they only come on when we’re winning, and they clearly aren’t there to change a game?




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    1. No plan B and it felt horribly like the bad old days of the Lancaster era when we kept doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
      I’m genuinely surprised at how devoid of ambition and ideas we were in the second forty. Something rotten in the state of Denmark………..




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    2. Just posted on another thread. Agree that we were crying out for a change at scrum half in particular. Thought some of the players looked complacent while others who put in a huge shift ie Lawes, Sink and the brilliant Tom Curry didn’t deserve to be on the losing side.
      We looked utterly robotic and formulaic in the second half and we had a good chance to score at the end of the first if we had kept going through the phases instead of yet another Farrell kick.
      Wales had all the passion and momentum in the second half which the half backs partly gifted them.




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      1. Sinckler ruined all his good work when he blew up. It used to be Faz who was the ticking time bomb but the mantle has passed and wily old Warren was spot on. Eddie needs to get to grips with this issue now. Sinckler is a highly talented liability.




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      2. When I state stuff like this (e.g. robotic) I get pilloried! What a difference a day makes. In the words of Alexi Sayle; ‘It’s a funny old world’!




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        1. I share your pain Don. I agree, we are robotic and a lot of that SEEMS to stem from Faz being either scared to go off message or incapable of doing so. I watched the press conference after the game and he is not a natural orator. Sometimes he comes across as about five years younger than he actually is. I know Sarries fans will be gnashing their teeth at my impudence but you say what you see.




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  3. A pretty dismal game. 2 bald men fighting over a comb.
    Well done Dan Biggar though. That’s how to take a game by the scruff of its neck.
    Shall reflect further but just can’t understand Eddie’s (non) use of subs




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    1. Sorry Pablito, but that’s a pathetic and unworthy comment. Just because you lose, don’t rubbish what was actually a superb and exciting game. I had a Southern Hemisphere pal staying with us – and he said, ‘Simply – WHAT a match!’. Two really fine sides swapping blows.




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      1. Well T’man, I’m also SH, although not a pal. However, I viewed it as a compelling match, but hardly ‘superb’ or ‘exciting’. More a kick boxing contest for much of the time.




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  4. We kicked badly-Youngs still doesn’t understand how far to kick it.Wings didn’t have a single run ball in hand.Centres anonymous in attack.
    This is a setback -we needed a win to build further on.Wales suffocated our intensity and pace and deserved to win.Farrell’s leadership not so good on the field this time.




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      1. Don I have no idea how we will perform in Japan but our record over last 12 months compares badly with 2003 squad.We are just too inconsistent as demonstrated yesterday.Failure to build on first 2 games.




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        1. Well H’quin, understand how yesterday’s result must have been disappointing as well as unexpected (me incl with the latter). It’s just that it seemed to me that far too much can be read into 1 or 2 results. Of course, conversely, yesterday’s outcome needn’t spell disaster for England either. Seems a dose of tactical flexibity could be a cure. Depends on Jones’ mindset & maybe whether he’s surrounded himself with coaching ‘yes’ men? A settled team now, although what price Dany Cipriani, so have the material? It’s just all the bigging up that gets me.. & sets England up for a fall. Rightly, the WC’s another matter.. for all




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          1. Don We had an excellent Autumn and the first 2 6N developed that extremely well so it was reasonable to expect another good performance in Cardiff.However as you say one setback doesn’t mean crisis.Maybe Eddies cool reaction is proportionate and mine too emotional.




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  5. The one positive is that it’s better we get exposed now using the kicking game than at the world cup. For the next 2 games I hope we concentrate on going through phases and putting it through the hands. And let Robson start against Italy!




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  6. A 50/50 game and a penalty count of 10/3 v England. Well done to the Welsh skipper who conned the ref throughout. Unfortunately at this level a ref is a deciding factor and today England were on the wrong end of most of his contentious deductions




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  7. A 50/50 game and a penalty count of 10/3 v England. Well done to the Welsh skipper who conned the ref throughout. Unfortunately at this level a ref is a deciding factor and today England were on the wrong end of most of his contentious deductions




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    1. i think that is glossing over the paucity of our showing in the second half John. Yes, Payper called a strange tune at times but we were bloody awful.




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  8. Very bizarre that Farrell scarcely passed the ball to Manu. Look at the ground he made with just one run! Eddie’s reluctance to blood new scrum halves really has come back to bite him as he has a player on the bench who he won’t bring on even when the game is screaming out for him. Personally I think Robson would repay the risk and he has to give him significant game time the next 2 matches.
    Nowell was damn good but the backs were anonymous today. Farrell just wouldn’t let them into the match .




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    1. I’ve always found Farrell the younger a strange mixture of nous and naivety. Today really showed up his reluctance (inability?) to mix it up when the A game wasn’t working.
      Contrast that with Wyn -Jones little moment of sheer class when he audibly told one of his players to go away and stop arguing with Mr Peyper.




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  9. I was expecting Wales to frustrate our kicking game by closing out the space behind (Williams and North we’re both excellent) but to be honest I was expecting Youngs and Farrell to rise to the occasion and play a bit of ball in hand. Farrell played so deep all game. And Tuilagi so rarely got the ball (are they trying to save him….?)

    Slightly agree with Pablito that Ford could have added some attacking flair but it should not need a replacement to play what’s in front of you – Farrell knows how to go through the phases and put people into space.

    Having said that, the Welsh defence was very good so all credit to them – good win.




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  10. Riveting said Inverdale, although I gave it a 7. An arm wrestle, not too much in the way of sweeping b/line moves, but plenty of the aerial stuff.. again, esp from England.. which didn’t ultimately work. Presumbly they’re still out there searching for a plan ‘B’. Mind you, after the 1st 1/2 I could still only see England winning it. Their breakdown functioned better for me & the Welsh kept turning it over! However, Wales hung in there @ by the end they were on top, pushing the margin out further than I foresaw. Dazza, or was it Staggy (?), talked Williams up prev & he was arguably the difference in determining the result. Surprised that both teams persisted in kicking it so much. Wales, because Anscombe was meant to get the line moving & England, because particularly in the 2nd 1/2, when it wasn’t working, still persisted in doing it.. deteriorlatingly! Farrell, who after the end didn’t really seem to know why, where England had lost it, so maybe the maligned Hartley needs reinstatement to better analyse & alter tactics when it starts to go pear shaped? Curry had a good game for England & the test of the pack did their usual, but the likes of Tui & Slade hardly featured. May looked sharp again & Nowell might have prospered with more ball. Young’s was functionally robotic & Daly had some good moments but was exposed when Amos scored. Daly’s inexperience showed when he competed for the X kick. He ought to have let the Welsh winger catch it & then simply tacked him as the former hit the ground. The Welsh team seemed solid without looking spectacular & I’m still surprised @ how they ultimately prevailed with all those errors! Also, although it didn’t seem it to me, I understand that the pen count was 9-3 against England. Didn’t help & probably, ultimately lost it for them. Pity for Sinckler, as he was pinged x2 I’m a row & ought to have gone for 10 for the late shoulder on Anscombe, because his w/rate, tackle count was right up there, as was his ‘sus’ scrummaging. ‘Powder keg’ said 1 Beeb pundit. Where does this leave England.. & Wales? Well, the Welsh can potentially go on to win it, although Ireland might have a say in that , so have to wait & see. England? WC contenders opined H’quin after 1 win! Maybe, but on this showing they didn’t actually ‘play what was on fromt of them’ as some have previously contented. They stuck mechanically to their, kicking Is the new running game & came up wanting. They lacked the ability to change it up in the 2nd 1/2 when they needed to. Farrell & Jones need to modify their tactics DURING a match if it ain’t working. As another pundit stated, ‘What’s the point of having a ball carrier like Tui if he doesn’t see the ball’? All that apart, it was an absorbing match & maybe it puts a slightly difference complexion on where teams’ standings are now?




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    1. I told you Liam Williams was good! Now do you believe me? Damn why did I have to be right? Anyway well done Wales. Best team won a mighty gladitorial battle. Still mightily disappointed as an Englishman. Just as we seemed to be a team playing what was in front of us, we robotically and poorly kicked the ball away.




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      1. As I stated prev about Williams Staggy, I was reffing a particular TRB article about his Lions’ performances in NZ when he made 1 spectacular run in 1 test, but you already know this. That was hardly definitive. What else did he do that was of specific significance in tests on tour? That he had a decent match today isn’t nec definitive either. Besides I never stated that he wasn’t actually a decent player. And in any event, aren’t you rather foolishly shooting yrself in the foot by crowing about yr being ‘right’? England lost. And by NOT ‘playing what was in from of them’! Or do you insist that they did do so? Some never learn. Called wisdom I think.




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    2. Have to agree with you on all counts Don.
      First half was back and forth but heading down the tunnel at HT i was confident England could win it. As the second half went on, and England kept surrendering possession with aimless kicks, I could feel the Welsh pressure building and was not surprised to see only their side of the scoreboard rising.
      Thoroughly disappointing! Tui and Slade had no opportunties to test the Welsh combo, how long should it take an international half-back pairing to change gameplan? not +80mins. Youngs is so ponderous on the ball it beggars belief, always taking a couple steps before passing giving the Welsh defence time to fly up and close space.
      Need to regroup for Italy. IF England can get the BP and Scotland can beat/hold Wales to less thab 4 tries (though this is a big if) England still have a chance going into the final weekend. But seeing how mediocre Ireland where, and how poor Scotland were, I’m not expecting Wales to mess up now.




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  11. Said on another thread that I had a feeling Farrell wouldn’t be great today. Whenever the press really big him up before a match he has a mediocre game.
    Today also showed what Mike Brown brings to a game in blocking the opponents aerial game and just being tough, hard and bloody minded.




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  12. Frustrated with the first half; Farrells’ kick at the end was so premature it needed smothering with delay cream. Contrast that with Wales 30 phase try. And with their own cross kick try. The differences are again, as Gatland has said in the past poles apart.

    Bemused with the second half. It was the definition of insanity; keep doing the same thing time and time again and expect a different outcome.

    England against Ireland was angry, energetic and vibrant. Today felt very laboured and wasteful of the undeniable talents of Slade and particularly Manu. That said, you have to complement the passion of Wales, they find something very different against England.




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    1. That last paragraph is oh so true.
      As for Wales, they do find another gear aginst England but today the person who found it was Biggar. I don’t think Wales would have won without him. They looked like a different side




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  13. I expected the wales win but by a smaller margin which withough Biggars kick would have landed.

    Wales were unable to break that line with Sinclair knocking the wind out of every attempt, his short fuse put him in the refs eye and caused his exit, that was the games turning point – wales got punished less for there pressure and the 30+ phase play was able to happen, Sinclair would have stomped it out earlier.

    But as a welshmen I’ll take the win any way I can get it, 6n isn’t over yet though England’s bonus points give them a good edge with Italy a gimme, Wales need to overcome Ireland




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  14. Brilliant match, ejoyed it very much! Great show of intensity and passion. England lacked plan b and some finishers. Wales stood well against the kicks and england just Did not knew how to manage it, which is fault of EJ as WG was obviously prepared for that (in contrast to irrland and france) with a brilliant fullback as liam williams. Farrell seems to be to robotic, lacks that kiwi instict of play, to play what is in front of you. We all know how good he is and that he can set the backline firing, but it seemed that he could not withdraw from plan A. He should have feed tuilagi a lot more and slade so he could feed the unused in open play back three. He needs to learn to adapt more properly to a match. I think lawes was quite brilliant and is getting a at least ‘quite brilliant’ consistency that must have him in the group of world class 2nd rowers. Sinckler very talented but a liability also. Oftenly stupid. May again quite complete with what he could (as lawes, consistently good. World class winger with no liabilities to hes game). England now has the chance to give game time to robson and cokanasiga against italy and an injured scottish team. Also, no doubt NH rugby is getting better. 3 really good teams (with WC winning potential) in wales, ireland and england, and with a scottish team that injury free can give head aches to anyone. First time NH rugby is looking better than SH, with pumas lacking consistency, wallabies in shreds and boks having 1 good game Every 3 games. Even NZ seems closer now, with losts ireland, almost lost to england and Scotland. If the south can get a bit more consistency we May find these year WC as the most competitive and thrilling ever!




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    1. Jose, who is & has been, the No. 1 team in world rugby for the last decade plus? 1 NZ loss v Ireland away from home is hardly definitive. And England lost. The Scots have never beaten NZ. Who knows what will happen in the WC, but do you not think, especially after today, that you may need to readjust your opinions somewhat?




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        1. Well, I was mainly reffing to this past season Andy & also to put Jose’s comments into a more objective context, but if it makes you feel better after yesterday, yes in Chicago too. Although it hardly alters matters much.




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          1. Wasn’t Jose’s comments highlighting the southern hempishere in general? In which case your being overly defensive DP… Australia are in tatters and SA equally decimated by a crippling player drain and the Pumas are , well , as always hot and cold. Jose comment ref the kiwis was that Ireland have pulled them back as evidenced by recent wins and don’t worry, before you get your knickers in a twist, I am not suggesting that they aren’t still the best team in the world but based on the Ireland result, SA winning in NZ and some close contests, it would suggest the gap isn’t as wide as it was when the kiwis were basically invincible (c. 2009 – 2016).

            Back to yesterday’s match, I thought England would win and would have confidently posted a bet on England at half time if we had managed to engineer a drop goal or shown more patience when we were in the wales 22 just before half time. Wales certainly good for their result and I agree widely with the notion that our half backs showed inflexibility – especially Farrell. Does he have too much of a burden to try and implement a plan b or is he simply incapable? Certainly there doesn’t seem to be anyone in the team willing to stick their hand up and offer a change of tact… with nearly 150 caps between them Young’s and Farrell should at least be able to play what’s in front of them, to my eyes it is alarming that they aren’t! Annoying because again I agree with DP that small tactical changes and the game was there for the taking.




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            1. Need to ask Jose about his ‘general’ comments SJ, but generalisations generally tend be, er, general perceptions. If you watch a bit of S Rugby, the Brumbies for instance, didn’t look too shabby on Sat. And it’s 1 of the franchises from which the national team is selected. Also weren’t Oz in ‘tatters’ prior to the last WC.. & yet they got to its final! And until the Irish win, England’s 9 recent losses looked pretty tatty to me. As for now.. you tell me? Regds SA, so long as they field their ‘A’ team & not just @ home, they’re pretty competitive. As England found on their last tour there. Agree Arg are up & down, but don’t they all play abroad & only get together 5 mins before tests? As for NZ, you can cherry pick the odd result all you like, but they’re still ranked where they’re ranked. They’ve also lost games to SA & Oz prior to the last 2 WC’s, so they, like anyone else, aren’t ‘invincible’. Another perception, like many of yr contentions? Personally, I think it’s gd for the SH if the NH hold these beliefs, esp yr coaches. Just recall all the hype, hubris & humbug following England’s ‘WC contending’ win v Ireland. All looks so different now doesn’t it.. after 1 loss!? Defensive? A dose of reality more like. Bit like England’s ‘infallible’, heads up tactics prior to Cardiff perhaps & which even you seemed to concur were anything but? Each to his own though I suppose. Best nxt up.




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            2. JS, also think you’re over simplifying by stating that ‘the game was there for the taling’ if England had imemented ‘small tactical changes’. It wasn’t just 1 thing. For instance, the pen count also killed them. Ask Sinckler. Daly’s miscalculation by competing in the air with Amos also contributed to sealing it for Wales late on. However, by sticking religiously to the formerly perceived ‘heads up’ kicking game, which patently wasn’t working, England ultimately shot themselves in their collective feet. By continually kicking it away to the Welsh 3/4ers, they not only handed over precious possession, but also the initiative & for me, self belief. Wales grew into the last 1/4, whilst England waned. The most disturbing thing about having such a rigid mindset under these circumstance must surely have been in their inability to recognise this fact, let alone have had the nous to have even attempted to change it. Also an opportunity missed to lay down a WC marker I think. Interesting to see if or how they adapt nxt time, although the opposition are unlikely to be that testing.




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  15. I have to agree with much that has been written.Englands second half performance was one of bovine neanderthalism topped up with a complete failure of leadership on the field.
    Only a complete numb nuts could fail to grasp the fact that Liam Williams had the measure of Englands kicking game and that tactics needed to change after half time and for that Farrell is culpable along with Youngs,though EJ”s reluctance to use both Ford and Robson(Players who use their brains as opposed to their dicks) needs to be questioned.
    On this showing Farrells captaincy has to be questioned-I have always been of the opinion that this is a job for a hard nosed forward.Could anyone imagine that Jonno or Lol put up with Sinklers histrionics-They would have had a word and if necessary boxed his ears.If Hartley is past his sell by date I would advocate giving it to Wilson,a teak hard forward who plays very much like Richard Hill did-with brains.




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    1. Well JS 10, the ‘bovine (I thought Neanderthals were people?) neanderthalism’ you mention, ought to be placed firmly on the shoulders of management. Although Farrell & Youngs were slavishly robotic, the blame for the lack of an alt game plan surely had to come from the top. They changed nothing after 1/2 time. Bringing on subs for the 1/2 backs was pointless if they were to have just been reshuffled deck chairs. IOW, Jones, who smugly talks a good game, has been exposed again when the chips were down, as being bone headed, intransigent & inflexible I’m afraid.




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  16. I was relatively happy leading up to half time, felt England has started to turn the screw, however when Farrell squandered that scoring opportunity I had this feeling that it would be a turning point (not just saying this). Pleased with our packs performance overall but zero plan B in the backs and massive concerns that whilst we have talented individuals in the backs, there is still that inability to change up the game plan and think in the moment. Youngs box kicking was AWFUL. Tuilagi must have stolen Farrells car or something during the week as clearly Faz didnt want to give him the ball. He may aswell sat in the stands at least he would have seen more ball with Englands continual kicking game! Daly seems to have turned into Mike Brown volume 2 with just running into contact and not looking left or right! I dont think Wales were that good really England just seemed lackluster in the second 40 and unable to get a grip of the game.




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    1. All in all, it seems we still don’t know just WHAT this collection of players actually is as an entity. This years model ( to quote Elvis) is a kicker MK1.By september that could well have become an All Court v15 saloon, badge engineered by Mitchell and co.
      What we seem incapable of producing is a side that can start with a plan but chop and change on the hoof. i don’t believe the players are unable to do that, which means that the finger points fairly and squarely at the coaches.




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    2. Brown doesn’t run into contact and die with it for Quins, so presumably he spent two years following orders and was then dropped for doing what he was told. Regardless, he is still a far better full back than Daly. He competes for the ball in the air, tackles above his weight and doesn’t disappear when things get difficult. Not sure what Daly is doing in the squad at present, his form has dipped this year. Agree about Youngs. I think one of the reasons Farrell kicked poorly and did not shovel on much ball is because he was under constant pressure caused by slow service. The other was Peyper’ s complete ignorance of what constitutes offside!




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  17. I don’t think there is a better top 5 side team in International rugby at self sabotage, than England.
    Massively disappointed. Poor leadership, poor discipline and poor tactics.
    I don’t understand why, when Wales kicked long that the ( very quick ) wingers and fullback fielded the ball, then gave it too the not so fast Billy, so that when he came in to contact, he’s half way down the pitch.
    Tuilangi should have been the one taking it in to contact.( physical but quick)
    I also cannot understand why our centres,very effective in the last two games, weren’t brought into the game.
    Owen Farrell is a lions flyhalf and England captain, he simply has to have it in his arsenal and mentality, to be able to change his game.
    It’s funny how we talk about what sort of French side will turn up, seems to me that is rapidly becoming England.
    No Sour grapes here, the Welsh defence was excellent but I doubt there were a lot of pundits expecting Wales to go on and win this encounter after the first forty.
    I just think that when England can’t find a way, thay open the door for oppositions to gain confidence and momentum.
    This isn’t the first time England have been found wanting a plan B.




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    1. Sharpe précis Sharpy, but this could all have been foreseen & certainly changed tactically during the 2nd 1/2. Farrell has always been over hyped above his abilities & station. This was exposed yesterday. It’s 1 thing his being ‘commanding’, or a ‘general’, in a mostly winning Saracens team, but it’s quite another with the elephant kneeling on his chest. In the end, the only thing that counts, is doing it under pressure. Yesterday he fell over. Big time. So did Young’s. So did Jones. The only caveat I can see is that Farrell & Youngs were both following orders. Being the captain though, Farrell ought to have either got an ‘injury’ word to Jones on the sideline about changing tactics, or gone ahead & varied it anyway. Bit of a risk maybe, but isn’t that part of what he’s paid for & was Jones likely to drop his vaunted leader nxt up? Already mentioned elsewhere, but surely England were crying out for a Cipriani yesterday?! Also, Farrell’s temperament has been called into ? & documented before, when the heat’s been on. Welcome back DH? A maybe.




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  18. I rate the game an 8 for it’s physicality and the sustained pressure by Wales in the second half which made for an electric atmosphere. If you look back at Eng throughout the EJ era the lack of a plan B is a consistent thread … ie remember Italy ?




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  19. To slightly misquote, “He who bullies the Peyper calls the tune”. Alun Whinge -Jones, Davies and several other Welsh players spent as much time pointing out offences to the ref with theatrical gestures and loud complaints as they did playing, and as usual with Peyper it worked a treat, they managed to milk ten penalties out of him. Completely ignored the offside line for most of the afternoon, let players come in from the side and got conned by players holding tackles into the ruck. W-J is masterly at this. Leaving that aside, Wales probably deserved the win for their sheer obduracy and determination, Liam Williams was immaculate and Biggar brought control at exactly the right time. EJ could learn from Gatland about using his bench, we should have had fresh forwards on after 55 minutes. For England Farrell was unimaginative with both his kicking and distribution and there is no way we will get anywhere in the WC with Youngs at scrum half. Not giving Robson a run surely shows he does not rate him. I would go back to Care who has quicker and more accurate distribution and has really improved his kicking but don’t see it happening. Sinkler played well but once again allowed himself to get niggly. Curry was outstanding, and with Underhill pushing him for a place we are well served at 7. Wilson was quieter than usual but got through a lot of donkey work while Billy did not make a lot of ground and stopped getting over the gain line after half time. Thought Lawes was outstanding. Kruis was good in the lineout but lacks the power of Launchbury. Still don’t rate Daly as a full back, he gets beaten in the air too often and doesn’t have the edge that Brown brings. I like the combination of May and Nowell, but they need to be given more ball with a bit of room to work with. Come on Eddie, give Cips a run against Italy with Care at 9. You might be surprised by what happens when we get quick ball out to the backs.
    In conclusion, the result that a lot of us feared. Not a complete disaster but limitations exposed and a hell of a lot to do to make us contenders in Japan.




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    1. Some of what you state makes sense Andy, but you also appear to allege that Pyper only reffed 1 side, particularly @ Br/down & that ALL the Welsh penties were ‘milked’ & therefore unjustified? The whole 10 of them!? As England led fairly comfortably @ 1/2 time & you yrself pointed out deficiencies in tactics & certain players or missions of same, such as Daly, Fartell, Cipriani & Brown, surely these were more telling factors? If I were to mention a certain Wayne Barnes from 2007, I’d be tarred & feathered! And Frankly, Sinckler was lucky to have escaped a yellow. Might have been even worse with 14. Understand disappointment (I watched the Hurricanes earlier!), but England’s loss was mostly down to their own actions, or inaction, was it not?




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      1. Don’t think I alleged that at at all Don. He was dire for both sides but was more effectively manipulated by W-J and Wales than he was by England. I clearly said that I thought Wales probably deserved to win, but to have such an intense game so poorly refereed was disappointing. Mind you, I thought the Australian who did the French game was dreadful as well. What SH refs deem important is clearly different to what NH refs look for.




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          1. Interesting that as probably the most biased poster on this blog you constantly accuse others of it Don. I have simply ventured the view that SH refs look for different things in the game which has a role in the way the game is played. Generally they seem to be less fussy about the areas of the game that slow it down and as a result the game is played at a faster pace but with less focus on the laws as they are written. I have no particular prejudice against SH refs, (Peyper only rates second on my list of refs I hope England don’t get behind Poite) but I dislike the recent tendency for rugby players to appeal to the ref for everything like a bunch of soccer players, and Wales were definitely trying to influence the awarding of penalties in my view. Personally I would make appealing to the ref a penalty offence. I have read this through and confidently expect you to take me to task for making a generalisation about the SH game.




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            1. Andy, yr comments about my ‘bias’ ARE generalised & as such don’t warrant serious comment. You could however, check my main post for thumbs ‘downs’. Have you got a magnifying glass?




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  20. As we all have said, it’s not the defeat but the manner of the defeat. The ball scarcely got beyond the half backs and most of the kicking was poor. As Hutch pointed out, why have Robson and Ford on the bench if you aren’t going to use them. Also why the hell didn’t we get the ball to Slade and Daly if we wanted to keep kicking to at least keep the defence guessing, as it was, they knew exactly where the ball was going and we made it so easy for them. I blame Eddie for these failures but Farrell and Youngs have to be able to take the initiative and change the game plan. Surely Eddie could have told the subs coming on to tell them to mix it up and change tack!
    Feeling depressed today.




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  21. I don’t understand how anyone could rate this game above a 6. Sure it was very physical and both defences were good but most of the game was played by 4 half backs with no imagination, flair or ambition. All this on the most perfect day for playing open, running rugby. Can you imagine how awful it would have been on a normal foul winter day.
    I thought Farrell ( in particular) had an absolute shocker-was he following orders? If so , he has to learn quickly that close games are won by decision makers on the pitch ( Biggar!)




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    1. From that POV J Harris, you have a point about rating the game. I gave it 7 due to it’s interest & turnaround in the (mostly) expected result & not least for its pivotal significance in the 6N’s eventual outcome. Not a fellow Kiwi are you? If so, yr view is even more understandable. Still, maybe this game’s result will cause England to come of their kicking shell & play ‘open, running rugby’? Kia Ora!




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  22. Wales have become a team that are very hard to beat let’s not forget that’s twice they have come from behind and beaten two very good sides France away and England at home. The amount of talent throughout the whole Welsh team leaves me exited about the world cup.




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    1. For chrissakes Ronald Mcdonald, you’re beginning to ‘sound’ like some of the English b4 yesterday! Fr a v gd side? They’ve lost 15 of 18! Lost to Fiji @ home & like Oz, made yr lot struggle. If the England team had had any nous about them at all in Cardiff, you’d quite possibly have been in their position today! Might be prudent to see how yr nxt games in this 6N go before you start crowing so much!




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  23. That was a very poor England performance. Several notches down on what we produced in Dublin and, at times, against France.
    We lacked imagination, tactical flexibility, common sense and direction. Ball was literally handed back without even testing the Welsh defence. Apparently our centres made 3 passes between them – a telling stat that showed just how little we moved the ball.
    It was obvious that the game was slipping away in the 2nd half yet we resolutely refused to play with more ambition and, to my amazement, failed to deploy people from the bench who could raise the energy levels. Leaving guys on for the whole game can sometimes work, but when your starting forwards are making a high number of tackles and your half backs are going through the motions, you need to change things.
    The onfield leadership appeared to be non existent, while Jones inability or reluctance to get messages on to alter our approach, or to make substitutions were seriously at fault.
    Bad day for England, and a worrying one for the coaching team.




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  24. Well done Wales, they thoroughly deserved the win.

    Eddie Jones’ arrogance in not having a Plan B and Farrell’s panic kicking cost England dear.

    Sinckler was the epitome of Englands performance in control and one of the best players on the pitch in the First Half, totally lost his head and was dealt with accordingly in the Second.

    Of course Gatland would have a plan for the England game and have Wales drilled accordingly, England were not drilled to cope.

    Also echo the comments about Ford and Robson in particular, it seems only an injury to Youngs will get him game time…… oh hold on Italy next on you go!




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