England player ratings against New Zealand

Once again, it was the usual suspects that stood out for England against New Zealand – let us know your thoughts on which players performed well.

Tim Payne – 5/10
New Zealand had the upper hand in the scrum, and Payne cost England points by punching his opposite man with the referee in a ringside seat. Mediocre series.

Dylan Hartley – 4/10
Made a couple of carries in the loose, but conceded several penalties and was awry with his throwing too often. Substituted for Steve Thompson with 30 minutes remaining.

Duncan Bell – 5/10
Cropped up in the loose once or twice, but was under pressure in the scrum. I bet he was distraught when he had to be brought back on in the second half.

Simon Shaw – 7/10
A huge presence and did the job he was asked to do. Also gave away a few penalties, but was infinitely more effective than Louis Deacon.

Steve Borthwick – 7/10
Perhaps playing alongside Shaw made him realise that he wasn’t the best lock in the country? Made some huge tackles and was dominant in the lineout.

Tom Croft – 6/10
Came on for Worsley after two minutes and had another reasonable game. It’s frustrating that we know how good he can be, but why isn’t he producing his best for England?

Lewis Moody – 7/10
Yet another determined performance and led England’s charge in the first quarter, diving into tackles head first and putting pressure on the All Blacks. A few penalties crept in, but he’s been England’s best player this autumn.

James Haskell – 6/10
Could well be the future at Number 8, but has a lot to learn. Clearly only practised the flick between his legs from the scrum with Hodgson, but carried well and has dynamism and determination.

Paul Hodgson – 6/10
Better passing than last week, which had an impact on the backs’ possession, and bossed the forwards more effectively. Useful experience, but he’s not that young.

Jonny Wilkinson – 6/10
Kicked much more effectively, and made some great tackles, but took a few wrong options. His distribution appeared to be better as well, but he has looked better playing for Toulon than he has for England over the last few weeks.

Ugo Monye – 7/10
Put last week’s shambles behind him and enjoyed a couple of breaks. Let’s hope that the improvement is proof enough that he should never feature at full-back for England again.

Ayoola Erinle – 5/10
Kept Ma’a Nonu reasonably quiet, which is probably the extent of his brief from the coaches. Wasn’t called upon to carry very much and unsurprisingly, didn’t create anything.

Dan Hipkiss – 5/10
Reasonable defensive performance, but offered very little in attack, despite enjoying plenty of possession. Only really knows how to run straight, so needs creative people around him, rather than Erinle and Banahan.

Matt Banahan – 4/10
Demonstrated his lack of armoury in attack and was exposed by Sivivatu for the try who stood him up and was able to offload. Dropped a sitter when Geraghty chipped it to him on the wing and brought on the biggest collective groan of the day.

Mark Cueto – 7/10
Looked comfortable under the high ball, much to the delight of the Twickers crowd. Another sharp performance, even if he isn’t going to set the world on fire with his attacking flair.

6 thoughts on “England player ratings against New Zealand

  1. Dylan Hartley – 4/10 – should be a 3. He appeared to let the occasion of playing the AB’s cloud his mind and lost focus.

    Lewis Moody – 7/10 – should have been and 8 – played damn well & almost won the #7 battle with Ritchie.

    Mark Cueto – 7/10 – like Moody. Was pipped by his oppsite number, but not by much.

    Simon Shaw – 7/10 – are you saying that shaw had as much input and influence on the game as Moody & Cueto? You need to stop your parocial marking and give the guy his correct rating. 5/10 as it was an average effort – but he was gasping after 20 mins.

    see against a team like NZ you need to have 2 locks good in the line out – one a scrumager and the other a little more loose. This gives a little more support to the loosies.

  2. I actually think Shawsy played like a back rower, and Borthwick was prominent in the lineout. Shaw was marked up because of that, and Moody was marked down because he gave away a few penalties.

    Cueto was solid, but not very exciting, so I stand by the rating.

  3. Surely you need that agianst anyteam?

    lineout wasn’t a problem, Shaw and Borthiwck did their job, and yeah shaw was blowing after 60, but the guys been out for 4 months and has only played twice since the lions tour.

    anyway thats why you have a bench so you’re starter can give 100% for 60 mins, now if they’d had lawes on for the last 20 it would have been way better then deacon.

    Think the player ratings are pretty spot on, you have to feel for Hartley with the rubbish either side of him though, would be a lot different with Sheri and Vickery.

    Shaw did very well, carried the ball, got accross the gianline int he 10/12 channel and ran good dummy lines when needed to. also good in the contact – although he did get turned once.

    Wilkinson has been a lot better for Toloun but then they are playing an expansive style with a decisionmaking 12 outside him. He only needs to worry about when to kick and when to distribute, he dosen’t HAVE to create anything. It also keeps the defence interested wider as they know it can come form 10 or 12.

    Hodgson did well, be nice to see Simpson get into the EPS and see how he goes.

    I think we all know Erinle and Hipkiss are not longterm selections. Flood, Clarke, Fluety, Tindall and Waldouk all need to be in the mix for the midfield, and Ashton should have been in on the right wing for Banahan. Myler needs to come into the mix as well, he should understudy Wilkinson.

  4. Definitely Moody for captain. He’s the only real leader we have and all the players/management/supporters respect him with counts for a lot.

    As for player ratings

    1. Payne – 3/10
    2. Hartley – 5/10
    3. Bell – 5/10
    4. Shaw – 6/10
    5. Borthwick – 5/10
    6. Croft – 6/10
    7. Moody – 8/10
    8. Haskell – 7/10
    9. Hodgson – 6/10
    10. Wilkinson – 6/10
    11. Banahan – 2/10
    12. Erinle – 4/10
    13. Hipkiss – 4/10
    14. Monye – 5/10
    15 Cueto – 7/10

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