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Rate the match: England vs Australia, RWC 2015
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8 could go higher but few to many errors such as offloading to linesmen etc generally a bloody good game tho
What was really brilliant is that this hopeless bunch didn’t leave us with the feeling ‘if only.’
They were kind enough to show clearly that they ever had a chance and that this country never had a chance. Thank you England.
Now we can get down to enjoying the Rugby and watching Wales.
Did,nt take long for a bit of sneering did it? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: You Celts are far more prejudiced than any English person. Now thank you and good night.
Sneering? Not sneering – I think it’s a blessing for English rugby if you made QF then Lancaster would get to live out his contract now he is gone you can get a replacement that’ll get the lads some prizes before the next WC
The better England do the better the rest of home nations will get for 6n thus narrowing north/south divide
Do you think that the RFU will ditch Lancaster? Not a prayer. I will stand hanging if he is not still in the job come the 6N.
Sorry for the sharp response,I hope you can understand why this evening.
A mate of mine just reminded me that SCW was in the same position in 99 which was his first WC in charge and which,ironically ,was also held here. Unfortunately that is where the similarities between Clive and Lancaster end!
I think the RFU need to be very careful how they handle the next few weeks. Patience is wearing very thin among the fans. If they DO keep Bomber on and I think they will,they could drive away a lot of supporters.
Interesting point you make about the n/s divide . are we talking hemisphere’s or the one in this country?
Mostly hemisphere, the tougher the 6n gets the better we’ll fair in Autumn tours and future World Cups.
Lancaster has qualities but if he can’t nail down a selection or convert opportunities he has to step aside
I take your point Michael. See my later post for further details!
southern hemisphere teams are just far too good. Thats why we have won 6 of 7 RWCs and will be 7 from 8 in 4 weeks.
It all got bitter pretty quickly then. Oh the irony of someone using “you celts” in reply to a single poster but then going on to main about prejudice.
If you can’t comment constructively don’t bother, we showed you a clean pair of heels for 60 mins last week so can’t see you going too far if a ‘hopeless bunch’ can do that to you. Ungracious in defeat and in victory!
Eh? he’s talking about England you numpty! Bleedin sensitive Celt again!!!!
Gutted.
It’s happened but we weren’t good enough.
Could things have been done differently? Yes.
But let’s stay off they’re backs, coaches and all.
I still believe this England team with more experience and a few adjustments could be great. But we won’t get there with yet another complete start
Just to add before everyone flys off the handle at Farrell what he did was no worse fardy on robshaw or Hooper on Brown. All three should have been yellow
have to ageee snewe, i think england are nearly there , the english pack is too big imo , england keep picking playrs just for size at times {ben morg is great tho},… it doesnt work,…bain will beat braun… all day,….trouble was ,OZ HAVE medium sizesd brawlers that took the ball like candy from a baby, , depends who is chosen 4 wales v Ozz , ,…IF Wales dare to use 3rd string, geat, we have qualified!!, GET the firsts ALL FIT for the next game , ….SAFAS Is it ? ,….the only team better than beatin them is england IMO, go loose scott williams was massive, he just kept gettin better every game,… and we thought we were strong at center, likewise the back row, front row is my worry and surely gatlands is our front row, ,…should bing back adam jones ,…has too if he puts Wales b4 his pride
Australia were excellent and outplayed England in all areas really, maybe not lineout. All fears about the backrow battle came true, England too slow and played into Pocock’s hands (literally) with isolated runners. Every time it happened it was like watching in slow motion as we all knew what was coming.
Also, pretty frustrated with the makeup of the bench. Yes JJ can cover wing and yes Barritt can play 13, but it doesn’t mean they are any good there. With Farell also covering 12 i just think the use of Burgess looks very short sighted.
I think there are some excellent young players there but i really can’t see how Lancaster can continue after next weeks game.
Lost. Hmmm that rings a bell. I have had enough. Offical shirt burning tonight can’t stand the idiots we put up as pure breed English players embarrassing our nation on the world arena.
Before I go, I will admit I am a petty and one eyed individual, and I cannot participate as a viewer in this world cup from now on.
As a match Australia played great rugby and I scored the match an 8. England looked slightly more potent when Ford came on but too little too late.
Confused planning and strategy from the coaches IMO. I was aghast that Jonny and SCW were hinting at giving the coaches another chance. 4 years of failure. No 6n. No GS. No significant series wins.
I don’t agree with the opinion that this wc came too soon. Sure we might not have won it, but we should have had a shot at getting to the semis. Yes it was a tough group. But so too for Wales and Australia and they didn’t have home advantage.
Stuart Lancaster was asked about his future. He said that is for others to decide. What a spineless individual. No honour. I don’t want another 4 years of this.
See you guys in Feb, if we have a decent coach and team. Otherwise adios. After 24 years, my loyalty has been pushed to breaking point.
We have under performed and been poor, we deserve to go out.
But there was nothing there that would make my support waiver. Those guys gave it all, which wasn’t good enough. Fair play, I’ll move on and look forward to the six nations no matter what.
Do I want some changes? Yeah. Is my support contingent on them? No.
Will I still watch the tourney? Too right. Come on Wales/Ireland, I really want a British winner (Scotland too but hey, seems less likely).
I’m not a fair weather fan mate. But as long as fans put up with sh*t as we have done for the last 12 effing year it will continue.
This is not the same as football and tennis failures. We have more money and more resources than any other nation and f*ck it up. It is incompetence on an industrial scale.
Hi Benjit,Teflon Rob and his cronies should be made to read your post in the hope that they might just realise it’s not about them,never has been and never will be.
Lancaster will probably get a reprieve,ditto Farrell and co. Sorry I can,t say more to console you mate. I know exactly how you feel. I am so flat I can’t even bring myself to fling anymore opprobrium at SL.
Your comments will be sadly missed. Don’t be a stranger on here mate.
Cheers mate. I just need a break. I hope to be back sooner rather than later. But I need to see some change and some accountability.
Amen to that. It feels like the game on the field matters less than the game in the boardroom. Very Orwellian.
Benjit I am with you.Have spent £25-30000 in last 20 years attending England games but thats it.I will not spend another penny and have paid my last visit to hq.We will never see it but major surgery required by firing whole coaching team getting a SH ciach and sending Sam back to Bath as a 6.What sickens me the whole England camp publicly overated themselves re Oz and we are now the laughing stock of the world.Like you I’ve had enough.Everything predicted on this blog has come true.
Well, I mean for one team the world cup was going to be a disaster… shame it had to be us.
1st half i don’t really understand why we kept using diamond formation when Ford who has done it for club and country is on the bench. The diamond formation during first half was silly we kept flicking it about as long as we made ground.
The breakdown Lancaster never really had a answer to it & i wished we had nowell on the bench, Joseph just disappeared when he went into the wing.
I said it on the other thread but this group was always going to hurt for someone. Their are quality players but need a new HC and wilkinson backing him cos Lancaster is hurt but no one can honestly say it’s a good idea to keep him.
You need to be able to win the big games his WC he went 0/2 in the big challenge so he ain’t the guy for the job.
I will back Wales next week but honestly it’s a tough game and I won’t be shocked if we lose as Aus just showed how they can open up defence seemingly at will based on their second try. But everyone can be beat and fortunately it’s a game we can afford to lose. lose and we get SA in QF, win and it’s Sco/Japan I know what I’d prefer but you got to beat the big teams to lift the trophy. Come on the dragons….not to kick ya when ur down good luck in Feb
As an Aussie, I am stoked about the win, but I’m truly disappointed for you that your out of your own tournament so early.
I knew a bloke who was dumped by his girlfriend in the first hour of a party he was hosting, the night he planned to propose. He was English too and now the poor b@stard has to feel this way a second time!
I just hope that all involved with England rugby realise just how disappointed we die hard supporters are.
This is just devastating.
Ancient ex rugby player (69)
Hi Ray. Part of the problem is that the RFU don’t get just how much it means to the average England fan. Neither do the coaching staff. You have been watching and playing the game for far longer than I ever have but I share your frustration and sadness.
Hopefully come 2019 we will have a team that can compete at the highest level.
You can’t truly be an English fan in any sport unless you primary expectation is to lose. It’s what we do.
Masterclass in the backs, but when married with the incredible turnaround in their scrum it was a powerful and irresistible performance from Aus. Not many teams could have lived with that. Great match due to England getting into the fight in the second half but the Aus class was enou in the end.
Obviously very happy to have made it through the group of death. Commiserations England. A tough group that went down to tight margins, as expected. Have to feel for Robshaw in that post match interview, a man who gave his all. Would like the press to cut him slack now, he didn’t shirk a single moment.
Couldn’t agree more on robshaw, all the players really. I can’t really bring myself to blame any of them. All of them gave their all.
I think selections were a bit of an issue all tourney, but we all have opinions and it’s only guess work if we’d have been more competitive if barritt hadn’t been selected etc.
For me we didn’t have the players to c compete at the breakdown or a strategy to nullify this.
Aus with pocock are a very different p proposition!
So for we Englanders this war is over. Well played Aus,you had a clear plan,the personel to make it work and were quicker and more clinical in thought and deed. Good on ya.
Where do we go from here? Before the 6N some things have to change. The back row just is not good enough as a unit. Wood is inconsistent, doesn’t make hard yards and is slow to the breakdown. Morgan is not fit but that is just a matter of time. The lineout needs a couple of heavy units to complement JL and Parling ,if he continues. Robshaw should be relieved of his six and a half role and a genuine no 7 has to be nurtured.
Cole seems to be stuck in a downward spiral. Might be time to look at a couple of upcoming t/heads and Marler needs to refine his technique.
In the backs we need more emphasis on a pattern of play and game management. the Aussies did that brilliantly tonight. They knew exactly what they wanted to achieve and had the players to do it.
England need that cerebral element in their game. Slade must be given a chance surely and the Burgess experiment shelved for now.
Is the academy system producing players who can improvise, mould a game and think on their feet? It needs to if we are to compete at the highest level.
As usual the stumbling block will be the RFU,who know the cost of everything and the value of nowt. Hopefully the shock of lost revenue due to England’s exit might just spark them to life. Teflon Rob should step down. Sinecures have no place in elite sport,not if you are serious about winning that is.
Finally, SL and the coaching staff. Men of honour would recognise when they had no further positive contribution to make. Gentlemen , the ball is in your court.
Ford, who changed the whole face of the game in the first part of the second half was only on due to May’s injury. England got killed at the breakdown which was widely predicted. There is a core of players Lauchbury, JJ, Watson all included who can take this team forward. England do however require a streetwise coach who will take no shit from the RFU. SCW would have problem solved the Armitage problem and would have made sure he was in the side. The decision on Burgess in the team was probably on balance the wrong one. Burgess is a quality player who if he does not go back to league should remain in the team. MF is however correct that his best position is in the back row. A SH coach is what is required to take this group of players forward. Difficult decisions for the RFU who will no doubt get it wrong. A dismissal two weeks for English rugby. If the lessons are learned quickly process can and will be made. SL is not the coach to take this team forward.
I blame some of the reason for our loss on the arrogance of the RFU. How can you hope to win any game if you do not put out your best team every time. We had no English player on the field to match the ability of David Pocock in the ruck.. However we do have an English player in that class and maybe higher who in May 2014 was voted ERC European Player of the year. That is Steffon Armitage but thanks to the RFU he was not allowed to play for England whilst overseas. What a load of crap. I note that Australia had no such prejudices and selected Matt Giteau who stuck the knife in with the Australian last try.
RFU thank you for helping to make us the first RWC host nation to not get out of the pool stages. You hold some of the blame for English Rugby’s biggest embarrassment
I think somebody should seriously challenge the RFU’s ruling and as Will Carling once said ‘We need to run the game properly as a professional game’ plus a further comment’. Which for me means that we should always field our best 15 players regardless of where they are playing.
Just my humble opinion
Just stop it with the Armitage crap. We could have had McCaw playing for us tonight and it would have made bugger all difference. We got done at the breakdown on our own ball. One man can do nothing there without support. Time and time again, we’d have just one or two players clearing out whilst the rest of the pack hung around in midfield pretending they were centres. Launchbury was on the wing more than May. At one point, May was the only player trying to clear out three Aussies whilst 3m away, a lock and a prop stood and watched.
By contrast, the Aussies hit the breakdown in their ball in numbers, generating very quick ball. And when it went wide, it went to backs not lumbering forwards
Furthermore, the clearing out technique was poor when they did bother
I can only put the above down to a complete and utter failure of coaching. Given the utter uselessness of our forwards this world Cup, Roundtree has to go
I’ll comment more later but one final thought. WTF is the TMO for when Hooper was not called up for his nasty clear out of Brown. Perhaps someone can tell me.
Still, if there’s any justice, he’ll be cited and miss the next few games, which may help Wales
You all talk about the RFU arrogance what about you supporters arrogance? You believe you had a god given right to go through the group before the tournament started and even after loosing to the mighty Welsh (it’s called game management) you were talking about topping the group!
Good ride nice to Engalnd – where’s your saviour now Sam Burgess!, found out
Does your mummy know you’re using her computer Pete?
Run along now and let the adults continue their discussion
Why should he,pete is right. Even on here the discussion was mainly about who England would meet in the final. Nobody even considered the possibility of not making it out of the pool
Because this is one of the few rugby forums which isn’t populated by one eyed, bigoted, arm chair supporters. It’s one of the main reasons I post to this site, you can have informed and intelligent discussions with other nations without some cretin spouting the usual tripe and hate messages you see on other forums.
As far as I’m concerned he can take his attitude and do one to one of the many Facebook groups where his comments may garner the odd ‘like’ from the rest of the trolling mob in order to increase his already over inflated sense of self worth.
Rant over. Tea and crumpets, gents?
Good ride nice England? Pretty bad ride actually; the nice England does however sum up Lancs and CR pretty succinctly. In any other WC and in fact in any other group England would have reached the Quarters and maybe with some impetus and a big does of run of play the semi’s. It was a conservative team selected and coached by a nice bloke. How thoroughly English. As stated continually by many here, the bench offered no opportunities for change. The only exception being Ford who was injury forced and just highlighted the short sighted conservatism of Lancs even more.
Totally agree with Pablito, the first time you fail to recycle due to lack of numbers is last at this level, and that directive has to come from on the field. The Auz threat was well known and yet no solution was found, in fact if anything it looks like it was completely ignored.Startling!!!
As Matt Dawson said, I don’t think the management team can survive this. It’s time to find the best coach we can, and if that means he’s not English so be it……
England’s back row is too slow especially Robshaw and Morgan. We need a flyer at No.7. Front row has been disappointing with Corbisero and Hartley badly missed. And why the obsession with plodders in midfield? Ford should have started both big games and the brilliant Slade should have played. Barritt is limited and does nothing in attack. As for Burgess….. words fail me…..Poor old Luther Burrell.
we all know that england are always going to be bad when tinkie winkie is in charge (lancater) robshaw cant go through any gaps because he cant run please england sack tinkie winkie will ya. and robshaw. the only players that should stay are farrel, burgess, may, watson ,joseph and morgan. the rest have to go. NOW!!!!!!
and this time we cant say the referee was bad WE ARE BAD and we probably always gonna be if we carry on like this ALL THIS TALK ABOUT HASHTAG WEAR THE ROSE THAT WAS A WASTE OF TIME NEXT WC LETS CONCENTRATE ON OUR TEAM INSTEAD OF A STUPID CARTOON GRRRRR
Of course this is massively disappointing for all England supporters, but it was always a distinct possibility that they wouldn’t progress from the group. I hope the rest of the tournament doesn’t suffer too much as a result, and I don’t think it should. Any fan of rugby itself will keep watching and cheering on the players from all teams who have worked their asses off to be here.
I’m hugely disappointed with the performances of the England team, but not the effort they have put in as players. For me it comes down to lack of top quality players in key positions (i.e. 7 and 12) and lack of experience for the really talented players (Ford, Watson, Launchbury etc). The coaching team have made mistakes of course, and I personally think they have taken this team as far as they can and a new perspective would shake things up. I think the biggest problem Lancaster would have if he continues, is he is so loyal to his current players and staff and wouldn’t drop players like Barritt or Robshaw, or bring in a new coach to the setup. I don’t see how getting a new coaching set up is ‘tearing up the script’ or ‘throwing away the last four years’ as I have read in some press. The players all have the experience of this WC and a new coach would inherit a good number of talented young players to go forward with and add to. But I think any new coach would have to be a really experienced International coach, and therefore probably not English.